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emperor666
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Mon May 30, 2005 11:50 am Post subject: Burzum |
 
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vladd
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I say no...Varg is nazi... |
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 Pyrates
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Mon May 30, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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And the musical qualities of burzum are quite lacking IMHO...
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Dami
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Tue May 31, 2005 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Varg is a person where you have to separate the person and the music. He seems confused.
But I don't think it would fit into this station.
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Mictian
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Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject: burzum |
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indd, more burzum,
why the politic status-shit allway's with burzum or satanic warmaster, i know it's not clean nice metal, i mean, not from high quality, but there are allway's monsters and humans that prefer that kind of music (like me), i'm not a nazi, and i'm not an anti-nazi, i'm just me...
just wondering why, if anyone say's Burzum, there's allway's someone say's NO VARG, Its Nazi... my oppinion is that politics must be seperated from music,... i know that there exist a lot of nazi music, like landser, etc etc...
just, and now i'm ending this shitty-text in my verry bad english, i agree with more burzum...  |
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Mordbrann
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Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think you can judge the person who does the music when listening. How many band members are closed minded, arrogant, retarded or whatever. It would be a very short list if you took those out!
Burzum is essential Black Metal and I'm all for it. |
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Pyrates
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Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:21 am Post subject: |
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Well, there is a line to be drawn SOMEWHERE, the only thing worth discussing is WHERE, methinks.
Metal people are usually quite relaxed about that, e.g. I really don't like the lyrics of Cannibal Corpse (too brutal for me), but since I don't understand a word, and I know enough about those to make an informed decision, I deceided not to care. Everybody else probably did as well.
But when it comes to national-socialistic (NS) stuff, one needs to be more carefull IMHO, because that's a mindset, an attitude or philosophy that has to be fought. More than that, it has to be shown that there is nothing acceptable about NS to people who are easily influenced (e.g. youths). And there is no excuse for being a Nazi!
But as Mordbrann said, judging people without knowing them is a senseless thing to do, and we're all just interested in music here, so IMHO it's ok to separate the art (as in music and lyrics) from the person; most people probably wouldn't even know about the history of Burzum anyway these days.
On the other hand, I could never accept a band that has NS lyrics. You can't separate the content of the lyrics from the music, it's just a part of the work, and if you accept those lyrics, you accept NS to be something normal, and it isn't, and you shouldn't make such an impression on others.
I don't know what the case is with Burzum (never read their lyrics), but please don't let NS be a part of this station; as I said above, I think it's ok to separate the artist from the art.
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Dami
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Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Burzum/Varg never had any NS-stuff in his Lyrics/Music. Okay maybe in the last two albums but they had almost nothing in common with metal.
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Mordbrann
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Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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The last two didn't even have lyrics did they? From what I know most Burzum stuff was about darkness and mysticism (at least the non neo-classical stuff) and the NS was in the liner notes and such. |
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hans_derber
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I agree with Pyrates: there is a line to be drawn SOMEWHERE, the only thing worth discussing is WHERE.
I also agree that you should distinguish between the music and the musician. There are some bands that i really like to listen to, but dont want to get to know them personally. Also i dont really care about psychopathic lyrics. These are the style of some bands and are usually not intended to be taken literally.
But Vikernes is a NS extremist, and he is very serious about it. Playing his music on a radio station means supporting this guy, and this means supporting his political mission. I wish this not to happen here. |
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emperor666
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Varg a nazi hahahahahahahahahahaaha good one!!! Only loser's believe the lie |
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Mordbrann
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever the case may be I do not think that simply playing Burzum on the station would result in anybody becoming racist or anything. In order to really learn about any of that would require further research on the listeners part. NSBM may or not be similar. |
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Skull_Rot
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| But Vikernes is a NS extremist, and he is very serious about it. Playing his music on a radio station means supporting this guy, and this means supporting his political mission. I wish this not to happen here. |
i think youre being too serious about it.
so does this station also support satanism, nihilism, and dismembering the elderly for dinner?
i think if enough people like the music, it should be added. Metal is all about extremist views, whether you agree with them or not. To be honest i dont give a rats ass who supports him because i couldn't care less wtf Varg thinks.
oh yeah and im sure his political mission will be a real success while he's trying to escape prison for the 18th time
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Oooo I Burzum! I think it should be added. 
Also another thing, stop debating about wheather the person who creates the music is a bad person or not, does it really matter? Just so long as the music is good the personality of the creator should remain irrelevant. 
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Skull_Rot
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I agree that more burzum needs to be added. One of the best black metal artists ever. And for people who say he is a nazi, a major concept for many black metal bands is nationalism (whether it is directly stated or not), so maybe you're looking into the wrong genre of metal. On the other hand I think Burzum/Aske , Det Som Engang Var, and Hvis Lyset Tar Oss would be excellent additions.
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